Megan Meadows is a friend of Jana's from the New York City comedy scene. Megan uses the term "chubby" and dislikes the word "fat" because the term is surrounded by so much hate. It's so hard to erase the negative connotations that are associated with terms and the two women discuss terminology a lot. Megan's weight has fluctuated a great deal over the course of her life which means that the terminology has fluctuated as well. Megan asks herself, "If I'm not calling myself 'fat' does that mean I'm not a member of the movement?" Whether she's trying to or not, Megan discusses how Nicole Byer is normalizing the term "fat" for her.
Megan discusses the kinds of nurse or mom roles she would get doing theater in college and Jana identifies. And that is the current cultural representation of women of size and why we may never live to see the day when we're not told to hate ourselves! Megan talks about having to teach herself that "she's okay" and to not be surprised when men are attracted to her. She discusses the small ways that men in romantic situations might make her feel insecure about her body but also how our own insecurities might manipulate our thinking about others' perception of us. The two women talk about blaming their weight and size for any failures, which is such a common occurrence.
Megan used to go to Broadway auditions as a tap dancer and she recalls being totally judged by other auditioners as a size 12 woman in that space, so she gave up her dream of performing on Broadway! Jana and Megan discuss women in comedy and how women can drag each other for the wrong reasons (like appearance). They talk about what fame would do to our psyche. The women mention a few actresses and their weight, how they dress women of size on television. It's bullshit because when Christian Bale gains and loses weight for movies, he wins an Oscar. Megan and Jana discuss Chrissy Metz's character on This Is Us and how the writers tell her story.
Megan discusses wanting to be a comedy writer but also how difficult it is to say that aloud because that means she has to internalize her value. Because we have been told as women of size to stop taking up so much space, including intellectual space, it's very hard to come to a place where we can honestly value our thinking and skill. If we can begin to see the systemic marginalization and objectification of women in our society, we can also stop judging and comparing ourselves to other women! Megan discusses her opinions of herself now. She has started to see her body as more utilitarian and a tool, she wants working out to be easier for her and that has helped her to become less discouraged with her body. To focus on health, she feels like she can appreciate her body more. Although she says she still struggles to like how she looks with pictures, she has come to a comfort with her body, even sexually! Isn't it true that if a man wants to have sex with you while you're wearing clothes, isn't it also true that he wants to have sex with you....with your clothes off??
Jana talks about how the women in her life are honestly running their own relationships, so why are we acting like we are intimately weaker than men and even asking, "Does he like me?" instead of, "Do I like him?" Also, Jana talks about the understanding that as women, because of systematic oppression, we have done a great deal of "self work" and reflection and analyzation of our positions in society, we are just living so much bigger existences. But men have not been forced into doing that same level of work on themselves and should be encouraged to get some therapy! Jana and Megan discuss the way that friends say, "Just give him a chance! He can learn!" and the idea of teaching each other vs just constantly teaching a man.
Jana and Megan do a segment called Industry Insults where the two break down a clip from Real Housewives of Orange County about Shannon Beador's weight gain. Why are producers still capitalizing on this kind of gossip? It's so uninteresting at this point and clearly playing off of women's firm grasp on body shame.
Megan's One Cool Thing is an app called Good on You which guides you toward being a more ethically and eco-conscious consumer! So important! Good on You, you should consider putting an advertisement on my podcast! Jana's One Cool Thing is the artist Steven Paul Judd who is a Kiowa/Choctaw artist creating a lot of interesting cultural commentary and new-old mashing up withinin his art.
Visit meganmarymeadows.com and listen to her and Alexis Lambright's podcast 25 Days of Xmas Movies and to read Megan's blog about joining weight watchers to meet Oprah! Megan can be followed @Megogram on Instagram.