Caleb applies meaning to their existence in the intersection of fat, femme and Brown. They describe marginalization even in QPOC spaces and how much they struggle holding that complication. Caleb has been taking up as a point that fatness is “the last acceptable predjudice” because they argue that it exists in tandem with many other oppressions. Caleb goes on to point out that fatness in itself isn’t the source of oppression, rather it signals to the viewer associations to class difference and racial implications - therefore fatness does not exist within a vacuum. Caleb makes a succinct point in connecting fatness to classism and poverty which inherently associates to race - Black and Brown bodies - which is intrinsically connected to settler colonialism and the transatlantic slave trade. So when fatphobia occurs, consciously a person hates the fat body for it’s “poverty” but subconsciously experiences white supremacy and anti-Black and Brown disgust. And are we discussing trauma’s effect on the body? How has 500 years of enslavement and genocide made an impact on the physical body? Caleb pulls from Joy DeGruy’s Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome, a study that examines the lasting effects of the transatlantic slave trade. Still, the two discuss how studies and science are still minimal around the connection between fatness and settler colonialism. Caleb also drops the title Fearing the Black Body: The Racial Origins of Fatphobia by Sabrina Strings and cites how she is making poignant connections between fat phobia and Black Womanhood.
Jana and Caleb’s discussion ends in Caleb explaining how their mental and emotional capacity has been impacted by the space they’ve created in academia to discuss fatphobia and how privileged people have taken advantage of this space to ere their fatphobia. The two discuss how leaving the house means dealing with toxic, fatphobic, inaccessible environments and the realities of being exhausted by this world. It cuts down to the ways we’re relating to each other, taking care of each other and providing space for each other to exist physically and emotionally at all in personal spaces. Eventually the two get onto tv shows, their favs and the amazingly bad cold opens in Great British Bakeoff.
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